Thursday, July 11, 2013

Was Jesus a socialist? - Part 2

RC: "The trouble with Socialism is, sooner or later, you run out of others people's money." - Lady Margaret Thatcher

JPP: Pareho ba ang social justice at socialism?

RC: magkaiba...ang social justice ay resulta ng tamang gamit ng batas samantalang ang socialism ay ginagamit ang batas that results to injustice...pwedeng ring gamitin ng socialism ang "social justice" sa anyo ng pagmamahal sa mahirap sa kaniyang mga propaganda...

JPP: anong system nga yung counterpart ng socialism?

RC: bagamat iba ang pangalan, pero yong essence ay iisa....two common names that I encounter are interventionism and central planning...pwede rin sabihin...welfarism...

RC: since welfare program is central in socialism, again, I just want to share this quote na kababasa ko lang: " The welfare state, a relatively recent historical concept, has failed miserably all around the world. The inability of politicians to say no or not play Santa Claus appears to be universal. It has every welfare state headed for bankruptcy." - Monty Pelerin's World

JPP: okay naman ang welfare state kung mayaman ang bansa di ba?

FE: di ba ang US welfare state?...turns out na foreign debt is financing the US welfare system

RC: Kaso yon na nga ang primary cause ng budget deficit nila and for welfare to sustain they need to increase the supply of money, which results to increase in prices and lost of consumers purchasing power. So in a way, we can say that welfare state can only be sustained through indirect taxation.

RC: Yes FE...Ayon kay George Reisman ang pinakamalaking banta ngayon sa US ay ang socialism...Paste ko na lang dito yong summary ko ng letter ni Reisman kay Warren Buffet: "George Reisman saw that socialism is the greatest threat to economic freedom. He mourned that the US Supreme Court has already abandoned its duty to protect people’s economic freedom for the last 75 years. Congressmen have passed laws under the influence of Marxist ideology. The real culprit for the economic woes of our time is the government’s growing intervention to prevent people from exercising their freedom to act concerning their basic economic rights and property. If this growing intervention of the government over the economic freedom of individuals would not be corrected, the future of humanity would be slavery and genocide as history clearly demonstrated to us in the experiences of Nazi Germany, Soviet Russia, and Communist China."

RC: Sana magwork itong pdf file...ito yong basis na ginamit sa pagsasabi na ang mga welfare states sa europa ay humaharap sa posibleng sovereign bankruptcy ...http://www.ncpa.org/pdfs/st319.pdf

FE: ang problema natin RC......"socialists" today come across as "champions of the poor".....mga walang meaningful experience in the real world, in how the free market works

DAA: humanist pa more than socialist...socialism is a political system di ba based on an ideology...but humanism is more of an ideology that can be acted out individually.

BP: Interesting exchange

RC: yon na nga FE e...tapos free market pa ang sisisihin na ugat ng problema samantalang kung hindi sa dagdag na kapital ay malabong tumaas ang antas ng pamumuhay ng mga tao sa isang bansa...

DAA: sa socialist system, ang main cause ata ng pag-taas ng "antas ng pamumuhay" is not capital but sharing of resources.

RC: Sir DAA, that remains a future idealism and under experiment pa yan...pero ang tract record nila sa kasaysayan sa experience ng russia, lalong humirap ang buhay ng mga tao dahil nga sa socialism, wala silang price system and that makes economic calculation ang planning impossible...

DAA: ang socialism sa Russia is socialism gone really bad, parang NoKor din.

many European countries are semi-socialist in some aspects ng governance nila.

JPP: Pwede ba ang socialism sa Christianity?

RC: yes DAA, at sabi nila patay na yan since the collapse of USSR, NoKor na lang ang nagpipilit na kung walang foreign aid ay malamang mas tataas pa ang bilang ng mga namamatay sa gutom...so ang alam ko, justification nila diyan ay under experimentation pa ang socialism at nag-eevolve ito hanggang sa makuha ang tamang paraan...ang kaso buhay ng mga tao ang apektado sa experiment nila...okey lang sana kung makina...

RC: Sir JPP may sumubok din niyan...may binabasa akong review dito e, hindi pa tapos..."Christians and Marxists: The Mutual Challenge to Revolution" by Jose Miguez Bonino... "Christian Marxism" ang proposal...ang Christianity daw kasi ay wala naman ino-offer na pilosopiya o politikal o social system at wala ring competence ang Bible pag dating sa socio-economic analysis sapagkat hindi naman theological ang mga ito kundi mga scientific issues...sa realm ng pananampalataya oo, pero sa realm ng kasaysayan hindi...In other words, si Jesus Lord ng Church pero si Marx Lord ng history...parang strawman, pero yan so far yong initial reading ko sa review ni David Chilton.

RC: A quote from Jim West's "Philanthropy, Romans 13, and the Regulative Principle of the State": "The socialists are the fiercest enemies of the Christian faith today! Normatively, they will not declare war upon you. They will not publicly say to you, 'You are now enemy of enemies. Christianity and its governmental implications are the opium of the people. Fight to the death!' No, instead they speak with saccharine language: 'We love you and are concerned about your medical insurance and your future retirement. We want you to know that the proper cultivation of your children's minds is one of our foremost concerns. Your health, education, and welfare come before any of our personal interests. We love you, and have a wonderful plan for your life' " (p. 187).